In this beautiful conversation, Nat and Mac explore meaning making through art, the notion of ‘seeing ourselves well’ and coaching as a ‘quest’. They discuss the emotional impact of art, the concept of polarity in perspectives, and the role of meaning-making in coaching. The conversation also moves into the use of metaphor in coaching and how it can influence clients' narratives both positively and negatively. They reflect on coaching as a ‘quest’ and the privilege of guiding others on their journeys.